Dear Mr. Sergey Shevchenko (The informational model - possible tests)
I appreciate your engagement with my previous post, and I'd like to address your points in the context of my research, titled "Relativistic effects on phaseshift in frequencies invalidate time dilation II" available here Preprint Relativistic effects on phaseshift in frequencies invalidate...
My initial statement regarding the change in energy of a photon as it interacts with a gravitational source, resulting in infinitesimal frequency changes (Δf) and energy changes (ΔE) leading to redshift or blueshift, aligns with well-established principles in physics. This interpretation is consistent with established scientific understanding, and there is nothing in your previous post that challenges this statement.
Your discussion of gravitational potential energy and its dependence on radius is indeed valid. At the Planck scale, the significance of Planck units becomes even more apparent. Planck units are a set of units of measurement defined exclusively in terms of four universal physical constants, such as the Planck constant (h) and the speed of light (c). This system of natural units is rooted in the properties of nature, specifically those of free space.
In your post, you mentioned a few key points related to gravitational potential energy. Accordingly, I wish to refer the following points.
(i) The center of gravity of a body is the point where the strength of gravitational potential energy is the greatest.
(ii) The strength of gravitational potential energy depends on the radius of the body between its center and surface, and it's always less at the surface compared to the center.
(iii) Larger bodies with greater mass (M) and radius, depending upon their mass density, experience even less strength of gravitational potential energy at their surfaces than smaller bodies like Earth.
2.1. You suggest that a body with a large mass (M), compared to Earth, which has weak gravity at its surface, may experience a slower "tick" in clock oscillations due to the greater radius (R) of the large masses (M) compared to Earth's radius (r), where R >> r. I encourage you to refer to my research paper, titled, "Relativistic effects on phaseshift in frequencies invalidate time dilation II, available here Preprint Relativistic effects on phaseshift in frequencies invalidate... ," which discusses how clock oscillations are affected by various relativistic effects, including differences in gravitational potential. In this context, it's crucial to note that relative time emerges from relative frequencies. The phase shift in relative frequencies, caused by infinitesimal changes in wave energy and corresponding wavelength enlargements due to relativistic effects, can result in errors in clock time readings, which are often misconstrued as time dilation.
2.2. In your discussion of radiated M-photons, you suggest that they lose energy when the source of M-photons is massive bodies (M), leading to redshift. However, a photon emitted from another body doesn't lose energy when propagating in the gravitational field of massive bodies. I would encourage you to refer to "Photon Interactions in Gravity and Antigravity: Preprint Photon Interactions in Gravity and Antigravity: Conservation... ," which is available in the research paper at the link you provided. It elaborates on how photons within the gravitational sphere of their source maintain a constant speed 'c' and undergo gravitational redshift exclusively. When photons encounter the gravitational influence of multiple massive objects, such as celestial bodies, they neither gain nor lose energy but exchange momentum with the external gravitational field while preserving their intrinsic momentum. Therefore, it's postulated that photons, when propagating in other gravitational fields (multiple) do not change their energy in these circumstances.
Effective redshift:
The zero-gravity sphere in galaxies is dominated by gravitational redshift, with cosmic redshift absent. Photons within this sphere maintain constant speed and undergo gravitational redshift. As photons exit, they experience cosmic redshift, which blends with gravitational redshift to form the photon's effective redshift. Refer Cosmic Speed beyond Light: Gravitational and Cosmic Redshift available here Preprint Cosmic Speed beyond Light: Gravitational and Cosmic Redshift
You made a point regarding "curved spacetime" and the bending of a photon's path. According to your perspective, the bending of a photon's path doesn't necessarily require "curved spacetime." Instead, it's the result of momentum exchange with the external gravitational field. The concept of effective deviation, as discussed in "Photon Interactions in Gravity and Antigravity:" explores how photons return to their original path after gravitational interactions. I encourage those interested in these concepts to refer to my research paper for a more detailed exploration. Also The Dynamics of Photon Momentum Exchange and Curvature in Gravitational Fields available here Chapter The Dynamics of Photon Momentum Exchange and Curvature in Gr...
Thank you for your thoughtful engagement and discussion. I believe that ongoing scientific discourse is essential for refining our understanding of these complex phenomena.
Best regards,
Soumendra Nath Thakur
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Analysis of Sergey Shevchenko post 1:
The post primarily discusses the author's disagreement with general relativity (GR) and introduces their alternative viewpoint. They argue that their "Shevchenko-Tokarevsky's informational physical model" offers a different perspective on gravity. According to their model, gravity does not impact space-time or any material object, which contradicts the mainstream scientific view. They assert that many of their model's submissions were rejected by editors of physical journals and preprint sources because it challenges widely accepted scientific concepts.
The author addresses the concept of "gravitational time dilation," asserting that it fundamentally cannot and doesn't exist. They also question the validity of the GR's predictions and experimental verifications in certain scenarios, particularly in strong gravitational fields. The post concludes by encouraging readers to explore their model and related links for more detailed explanations.
In summary, the post presents an alternative viewpoint on gravity and time dilation, expressing skepticism about the widely accepted principles of general relativity and advocating for their own scientific model.
Analysis of Sergey Shevchenko post 2:
The post provides a response to the author's previous statement regarding the interaction between photons and gravitational sources. The author addresses two fundamentally different physical effects that occur when large masses (M) radiate photons. These effects are described as follows:
(i) The atoms in instruments in Earth's weak gravity appear to "tick" faster than atoms on the surface of M. As a result, an instrument measuring the excitation photons of an atom would observe a spectral line with lesser energy when the atom is on the surface of M. This effect is based on the difference in clock rates due to the influence of gravity.
(ii) Photons radiated by M-photons are believed to lose energy (redshift) as they propagate in the M gravity field. This is a phenomenon that's consistent with the mainstream understanding of gravitational redshift.
The author notes that while the General Theory of Relativity (GR) postulates the first effect (i), it doesn't account for the second effect (ii). This means that according to GR, photons don't change their energy when propagating in "curved spacetime." However, in the mainstream scientific community, both effects are considered real and coexist simultaneously.
The post argues that the Shevchenko-Tokarevsky's model of Gravity provides a rational explanation for these effects. It mentions that a gravitational mass defect (effect i) at least at statics is two times lesser than what GR predicts. Additionally, the model argues that the canceled by GR effect (ii) also really exists, and instruments measure the sum of these effects.
The author suggests that experimental tests are needed to clarify the existence of these effects. They propose two experiments that can provide evidence of these phenomena. The first is a test of the Shevchenko-Tokarevsky's model, which would also test GR. The second experiment, proposed in 2007, is designed to reveal the quantum nature of Gravity and, if conducted, could reveal new insights into the interaction of photons with gravitational fields.
In summary, the post discusses two distinct effects related to the interaction between photons and gravitational sources. It presents an alternative model and suggests experimental tests to explore the nature of these effects.
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